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Organic brake pads useless

jerry

jerry

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I normally use EBC HH pads on my Ducatis ,, i bought a set of rear SBC organic 047 pads in UK and fitted them to the S4 in Thailand .... Now the back brake is useless , these Organic pads have so little bite they take forever to slow the wheel , i have tested them for about 100 miles and might as well not have a back brake ...

Put the old EBC HH pads back on the rear and hey presto excellent stopping power returned ...
 
I started using organic brake pads back in the 80's when most disc brakes were still not really great.
I was lucky enough to be able to use EBC Greenstuff pads on my Lockheed calipers as these were also used on Mini Coopers. Greenstuff was, and still is only available for car use and not bikes. They were phenomenal!
However I've been using EBC organic ever since as they work so well.

It's not a good idea to mix organic and sintered, front and rear. Go one or the other all round.
You do need to be careful when bedding them in. They'll probably need more than 100 miles. They reckon a hundred cycles, so that might not mean 100 miles. and will be more if the disc(s) are worn.
It's important to keep the discs and pads clean throughout bedding in. I give my discs a wipe all round with brake and clutch cleaner after every ride, particularly if it's wet.
Sometimes they glaze up before bedding in if you're too gentle and then it's useless. You have to clean the discs and pads thoroughly and start again.

Organic have always given me very powerful progressive braking with loads of feedback.
I had no trouble out-braking all the other bikes by some margin on a machine handling course I attended.
 
I will bring the organic pads back to UK and try them in either the 750ss or the M750 ,,The disc is almost new and very clean as were the new pads ,,,even stomping on rear brake would not lock up rear wheel , it was very disconcerting I like using rear brake as that was how i was trained in 1970s ,,, apply front first and then back in normal braking ,,,, in corners use a trailing back brake as required but stay off the fronts and in wet weather rear brake very useful .
 
once the disc has a coating of pad material on it following bed-in it’s going to take extra time to transfer fresh pad material onto the disc and peak performance to come back.
if you were racing, you’d try to run different discs for different pad compounds to avoid just this issue.
i’m not at all surprised by what you’ve found but i wouldn’t immediately assume the new pads are sh*te.
 
Maybe you guys are correct about needing the Organic pads time to bed in ,, but im not going to ride with a weak rear brake ,, here in Thailand that would be very risky as the roads are rated most dangerous in the world. due to the Thais mentality .They top the worlds road accident and death ratings by % of population even though India has 1.4bn and Thailand only 65m yes india or russian numbers are higher but Thais win in % stake.. too fast , too slow , drugged, drunk, looking at movies or phones, asleep, no training ,,, driving on wrong side , overtaking on blind bends ,overloaded with good or people , no lights at night often to save money ??? not stopping at traffic lights or junctions , no helmets , etc etc and the fact that many Thais feel its a personal insult that another vehicle may be in front !!!!
 
If you were to ask Police Scotland for their description of weekend motorcycling in Argyle you would get a similar description……:)
 
buddhism and road safety are uncomfortable bedfellows:
deadly accident… meh… instant reincarnation… no problem
:-/
 
slob said:
buddhism and road safety are uncomfortable bedfellows:
deadly accident… meh… instant reincarnation… no problem
:-/
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Yes thats about right ,, many really do think like that ,, saw a guy on a 125 hit a truck on a U turn , he saw the truck 200m away but did not bother to slow down ,, I did on the Ducati and came to a stop but the Thai guy plowed right into the truck at 50mph smashed to bits dead,, But he thought he had time to squeeze the gap ...he had a load of bhudda amulets so he was going to be fine anyway re-incarnation ....hmmm Then there are all the motorcyclists with no helmets ,, sure they survive if legs and arms broken but not when their heads hit the tarmac like eggs ,,,,but they just dont care ...
 
Personally I find sintered can be a bit grabby esp when cold and there is more metal to metal contact so harder on your discs. If you do track riding then sintered could be better however for normal street riding not so much. Braking style for street vs track is much different but if I were doing a track day I'd get the pads hot before each corner, on the street just throttle back, no brake needed.
 
A few days ago I rode the S4 and the rear pads do have some effect now with 200 + miles but its soft retardation is gradual and it can't be locked up? It is usable but it's not very powerful
 
As I understand it organic pads will be effective when used in conjunction with Ductile Iron discs. Stainless steel discs working better with sintered pads.
 
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