Strange question?

[Nick g]

Can any kind monster owners measure the distance from the top of the saddle to the top of the footrest for me.
Currently riding speed 400 , but would like a monster as my next bike, or second bike , due to hip problems I had to put lower pegs on the 400 , to be able, to get my foot up off the rest when I come to a stop , a necessity!
I am thinking of a 797 for the more upright riding position, any help would be appreciated.
The new bike won't be for a while as I had a new hip installed a few weeks ago

 

[Bitza]

Well Nick, sorry I have no useful info, but just thought I should say how great it is to hear of somebody who's so positive about keeping on riding. Hope you find the ride of your dreams, failing that at least a bike that you can come to a stop on and stay upright!

 

[stopintime]

Hmm... hard to find info on that. https://cycle-ergo.com/ list many bikes and you would be able to compare hip and knee angles, but not the 400.
I believe, as important, is where the pegs are positioned. Further forward on the 400 compared to the Monster. To remove your feet from the peg on a 400 you'll need to lift your (horizontal?) thighs with your hip flexors. On the Monster, feet rearward and your lower legs at an angle results in a more open hip angle - the removal of your feet is furthermore now assisted by your hamstrings. Maybe this helps

 

[Nick g]

I hadn't considered that, I m told the angle of the thigh in relation to the torso shouldn't go much past 90 degrees, with an artificial hip , something else to consider, I will have to get on one once my recovery is complete.

 

[mickj]

Unless you are a short arse you might find all Monsters might bend your joints past 90 degrees, have you thought about a cruiser?

 

[Nick g]

I am pretty short 5'7", really fancied a monster don't like cruisers .
I have a gs550 es 1986, that I have restored/ modified, and I have tailored the riding position to suit my rapidly declining skeleton . I have an engineering background and a small milling m/c & lathe so able to make a few parts. I made a new mounting plate and repositioned the footrests on the GS , my plan would be to do something similar with a monster, just need to know if it's feasible before I buy one .

 

[Nick g]

Here's a picture of the GS

 

[dacs]

Hi Nick, just checked on my Monster 750ie, seating position standard except for 2" handlebar risers. Frame design changed after the Monster 695 (I think), but it looks to me as if the hand/bum/foot relationship stayed pretty much the same. I'm around 5'11", seated the angle between torso and thigh is greater than 90 degrees and between thigh and lower leg is much less, probably around 45 degrees. Worth noting is that moving the foot back, eg instep to ball of foot on footrest, increases the torso to thigh angle, opening the hip. Rearset footrests would have the same effect. Hope the hip recovery is going well, find a Monster you like and sit on (or ride) it before making a decision

 

[Nick g]

So I used the ergo software, very good thanks, and compared it to the the Suzuki, and the 797 is pretty close for my height, so I think it might be doable, with some lower foot rests

 

[stopintime]

Most hip joint replacement patients obtain mobility quite a bit sharper than 90 degrees, provided they do the work. From day one. Little by little. Now is your chance
About repositioned foot pegs; lower legs at 45 degrees; then rearward pegs are about as effective as lower pegs.
Cycle ergos can show you this by use of modifications configurator + you can see it / feel it sitting on a kitchen chair, moving your feet/balls of your feet - back and forth - up and down on a book.
Most of your learning curve and aha moments can be done at this stage and will leave only small challenges when it's time for actually testing on a bike.
All the details a side - you'll certainly be able to make your dreams come true - no doubt!

 

[Nick g]

Most hip joint replacement patients obtain mobility quite a bit sharper than 90 degrees, provided they do the work. From day one. Little by little. Now is your chance
About repositioned foot pegs; lower legs at 45 degrees; then rearward pegs are about as effective as lower pegs.
Cycle ergos can show you this by use of modifications configurator + you can see it / feel it sitting on a kitchen chair, moving your feet/balls of your feet - back and forth - up and down on a book.
Most of your learning curve and aha moments can be done at this stage and will leave only small challenges when it's time for actually testing on a bike.
All the details a side - you'll certainly be able to make your dreams come true - no doubt!

I may be overthinking the hip , I shoot field target with air rifles, which involves sitting on a cushion with the rifle on your left knee, my surgeon ( who by chance is ex paratroop regiment) doesn't want me doing that as he worries the hip will dislocated because of the accute angle) he says motorcycle will be ok . Can't move it further than the advice until muscles knit: 12 weeks. It is improving though.
I'm at 4 weeks and walking without crutches.

 

[stopintime]

Yes, it's a fine line between can/can't/should/shouldn't and so on. Best result by taking chances, but also greatest risk. Top level atheletes competing in the world championship in 6 weeks "have" to take huge risks. You and I not so much. Speaking from 20 years of experience working with various forms of injury/surgery/ill health/pain; I have not once stepped over the line even if my clients always have been (naturally) frightened. Pain is a great warning tool - usually much more painful than dangerous. So, pushing a little bit is seldom wrong. Little by little, but NEVER nothing.

 

[Nick g]

Doing nothing is almost always the wrong thing to do in most aspects of life , good advice

 

[crawsue]

Hi Nick, I can’t help you with measurements for the 797 but I can perhaps share my experience with my current stable and how it affects my hip Bursitis. My condition is seldom noticeable on my Evo (perhaps same chassis as 797?) and at 5’10” I find it relatively comfortable and easy to get both feet grounded at standstill. Similarly with my 1050 Sprint St, on which I can do 400+ mile days in relative comfort. My main problems are with my two “roadster” style rides, 2004 T100 (which I fancy may have a similar ergonomic to your 400 and worst of all my ‘59 Matchless G80 on which any more than 50 miles without a stop can become painful on my hips and lower back…..both these bikes have pegs below or perhaps slightly forward of the hip.
As others have said above, try some out, even just sitting on them, when you are fully mobile, I’m sure you will find something to suit….or at least modify.
BTW, quite a nice looking 696 on Fleabay just now , 15k miles with some nice mods….£3300.
Good luck with your recovery.

 

[Nick g]

Hi Nick, I can’t help you with measurements for the 797 but I can perhaps share my experience with my current stable and how it affects my hip Bursitis. My condition is seldom noticeable on my Evo (perhaps same chassis as 797?) and at 5’10” I find it relatively comfortable and easy to get both feet grounded at standstill. Similarly with my 1050 Sprint St, on which I can do 400+ mile days in relative comfort. My main problems are with my two “roadster” style rides, 2004 T100 (which I fancy may have a similar ergonomic to your 400 and worst of all my ‘59 Matchless G80 on which any more than 50 miles without a stop can become painful on my hips and lower back…..both these bikes have pegs below or perhaps slightly forward of the hip.
As others have said above, try some out, even just sitting on them, when you are fully mobile, I’m sure you will find something to suit….or at least modify.
BTW, quite a nice looking 696 on Fleabay just now , 15k miles with some nice mods….£3300.
Good luck with your recovery.

That's great information thank you, I haven't considered setting the pegs more rearwards, my problem is a lack of movement, once I have both feet up I am ok , it's a real problem to lift my foot up onto the peg, and then up further to get it off again, when I was shopping for the 400 it was the only bike in it's class I could manage to mount, I also sat on a 660 trident, and managed the footrests, ( which follows with your thinking re pegs further rearward) . I'm expecting my left operated on leg to be fine once recovered, it will be the right one I will need to work with. Thanks again.