Hello and 600/750? - Page 2

Nickj · 09-07-2013, 11:40 PM

How do you get it in there??

If it's a shed then through the door as the windows are usually too small.

If it's a van then a ramp to drive it in, half a scaffold boards about right, longer and it can bend, shorter and the pipe grounds.
If there's a side door then ace, reverse process and ride out.

If that idea seems just too scarey then a minimum of two and a ramp (AKA scaffold board)

10-07-2013, 03:11 PM

yeah either 2 and a ramp or 3 and a lump of wood to go through the wheels me and mate used the wood technique on a Yamaha Royal star which was bloody heavy so the monster should easy in comparison

10-07-2013, 03:31 PM

I was thinking 2 with wood through the wheels, had a row with the mrs about it today though. I think she actually thought I was joking, I said I was going to view with intention to buy and she flipped! I had a bad off 23 years ago when I was very young and foolish and she's convinced it will happen again! I've been to the bolldor on a bike since then albeit before we had kids but I know how careful I'd be and how limited my usage would be....
Gona be a nice atmosphere in our house tonight

...

10-07-2013, 06:26 PM

Forgiveness is always easier to get than permission

10-07-2013, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty

Forgiveness is always easier to get than permission

They are wise words, the bike I was looking at has now gone! These bikes go in a flash!

I think I'll try the sulky routine for a bit, hopefully she'll give in as a 750 pops up somewhere..?

utopia · 10-07-2013, 09:47 PM

Dirty ...I like your style.

One thing about having had a bad off in the past, is that it rams home the importance of defensive roadcraft and anticipation. But I daresay you've already pointed that out.
The other thing is that monsters, with their torquey power characteristics and relatively gentle top end don't exactly encourage irresponsible riding ...and furthermore, while the 750 does have enough power to do most jobs well, it doesn't have the crazy excess of most other biggish bikes. And being a naked, you're not going to be wanting to go that quick on fast roads anyway.

Is any of that likely to help ?
You can quote me if you like.

13-07-2013, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by utopia

Dirty ...I like your style.

One thing about having had a bad off in the past, is that it rams home the importance of defensive roadcraft and anticipation. But I daresay you've already pointed that out.
The other thing is that monsters, with their torquey power characteristics and relatively gentle top end don't exactly encourage irresponsible riding ...and furthermore, while the 750 does have enough power to do most jobs well, it doesn't have the crazy excess of most other biggish bikes. And being a naked, you're not going to be wanting to go that quick on fast roads anyway.

Is any of that likely to help ?
You can quote me if you like.

Very wise words from Utopia there. I ride a ZX6-R as well and the smooth, zingy motor always begs to be revved. 4-6k on a 2V Monster is a great place to be, torquey, and you can hear the engine going, you know you have a bit more, but only if you feed it. On a IL4 you're just getting going, suddenly you're at 10k looking for the next 6 thousand revs.

The lack of fairing is also a big one. The wind makes you feel like you're going faster and it's also a bit tiring at silly speeds. Aim for a 600 and you'll never really hit epic speeds. I cruised along the other day around 70-ish quite comfortably. On my Ninja, this was considerably more just because the fairing re-directed the wind over me.

Blah blah · 13-07-2013, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by utopia

...The other thing is that monsters, with their torquey power characteristics and relatively gentle top end don't exactly encourage irresponsible riding ...

No-one told me that

Does that mean I shouldn't be getting to the edge of my tyres and giving it a handful to ride the waves and waves of lovely torque??? Do I have to give it back now???

An early 600/750 in reasonable condition will start at around £1000-1500, and the 750s have enough poke to keep you happy (never ridden a 600 so don't know), cans and a dynojet (stage 2) make it even better.

There's a bit of a 600 fixer down here in the paper for £1000, but it is in west Cornwall...

Black Bob · 16-07-2013, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by utopia

The other thing is that monsters, with their torquey power characteristics and relatively gentle top end don't exactly encourage irresponsible riding ...and furthermore, while the 750 does have enough power to do most jobs well, it doesn't have the crazy excess of most other biggish bikes. And being a naked, you're not going to be wanting to go that quick on fast roads anyway....

In the nicest possible way, I couldn't disagree more.

I have not come across a bike that more encourages a "ride it like you stole it" attitude than the Monster and, possibly, the smaller capacity ones are more guilty than the bigger ones. Not tried a 600, but have taken both the 620 and 750 round the best twisties that my part of the country has to offer, and they just love to be caned and thrown around corners. (And jumped over hump-backed bridges, ahem.)

Therefore, they're just as capable of getting you into trouble as anything else. Anything with a decent chassis and at least 50 bhp falls into that category.

However, I suspect what Utopia was really getting at, is that you'll get a rewarding riding experience at more sensible speeds that you just wouldn't get from, say, a 600cc inline 4. If that kind of experience is what you are after, then any sized Monster is a great choice. Just don't get a small one on the pretence that it'll make you more sensible than a larger engined one would - you'll just end up thrashing the smaller one more.

Nwsparky, again in the nicest possible way... you sound like you want a bike with every fibre of your being. So, if you have the pecuniary means and you are not making your family go short as a result, then my advice is to end all this fannying around, buttering up the wife, etc. and just get the bike you really want, and ride it as much as your heart desires. Your life is ending one second at a time. If you wish to placate the wife, then promise her you will get some advanced training and wear sensible clothing.

That should be enough, frankly.

Good luck.

11-07-2013, 06:12 AM

Utopia, I hear you!
I've been through this with her, my eldest was always dead against so I haven't bothered but it must be cool to have a biker dad now because she really wants me to get one! I'm an electrician that works in dangerous places everyday! I could ski, scooba dive, play rugby, rock climb etc....as you say being a biker having tasted hospital food does make you careful. She sees the hooners fly past our house at ridiculous speeds and thinks all bikers are the same I think! She actually said get a scooter they're safer! 80mph with less weight, grip or power/braking force isn't any safer atall, they just look less likely to let you get carried away!
My Megablade was about 18inches of the floor so was very hard to see coming but I survived that which was ridiculously quick and nimble.....
It doesn't help most if not all our friends neighbours I've mentioned it too have also tried to discourage me, I'm just going to have to put a proper argument together or use Dirty's system. Life's too short to put things off...
I need to be quick while the suns out!

11-07-2013, 10:48 AM

Just do what i did I brought my first big bike and took it home and said do you like my Toy she said no we had an argument job done she got over it. too late when its brought and paid for. not like i would cause a divorce they know where there bread is buttered

11-07-2013, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tricky73

Just do what i did I brought my first big bike and took it home and said do you like my Toy she said no we had an argument job done she got over it. too late when its brought and paid for. not like i would cause a divorce they know where there bread is buttered

I like your style, I've done it with cars, she never actually new what I paid for my Westy! Just rather have her blessing for some reason, I've not timed it well it's that women only psychotic time of the month in our house this week, silly me! A couple have popped up today, one went in hours but there's 2 others I'd buy now and just get delivered, I could keep one at my m8s garage she'd never know but I can't be bothered with sneakin about....
Ill just have a grown up chat with her when she gets back to normal....

11-07-2013, 05:00 PM

Reminds me of a mate who had various nice motors, M3, Porsches, Range Rover etc and always underplayed how much they cost. He went ballistic one day when he found out his wife had spent nearly £1500 on a handbag. During the blazing row it came out she'd always known roughly what the motors had cost and over the years had spent roughly the difference on shoes and handbags.

They laugh about it now. 3 young kids later they drive a Ford people wagon and wear sensible shoes. That said he told me the other day he'd nearly fainted when he found out she'd spent £600 on a set of 3 saucepans. This was during the same conversation where he was telling me about his plans to buy a powered paraglider on the sly! Plus ca change!

11-07-2013, 05:08 PM

Nwsparky, just been through the same scenario with my misses, Like you I had a accident around 7 years ago, leaving me with floppy wrists

, like a pratt promised never to have another bike. (regretted saying it the next day)
Last month the urge for another bike just got to strong and I broached the subject, She went ballistic, left it a week, she only just hit the roof, left it another week and she wasn't happy but asked the Daughter what she thought, little angel said she didn't want me to have one

(could of killed her)

After another week of me dragging my bottom lip on the floor She out of nowhere just said, if you want a bike get one.
Within 24 hours and 400miles of travel looking at Monsters, the deal was done, before she could change her mind

Bought a S2R 800, love it to bits

Alan H

11-07-2013, 05:40 PM

I think your right Fatal, a wearing down process is required, I'm already fed up with my own sulking

I was going to mention it again when she just got in but the look on her face was enough to know it wasn't a good time! She was ranting about being skint and payday being a long way off and the car needs fuel blah, blah...she snapped at me, I snapped back, no chance......
She just went out with the kids saying she had no money for fuel so I threw her £40, she lit up and kissed me

Perseverance and bribery will win her over, she's just a women....

09-07-2013, 11:40 PM	#1
Nickj Too much time on my hands member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Forest Of Dean Bike: S2r Posts: 3,195	How do you get it in there?? If it's a shed then through the door as the windows are usually too small. If it's a van then a ramp to drive it in, half a scaffold boards about right, longer and it can bend, shorter and the pipe grounds. If there's a side door then ace, reverse process and ride out. If that idea seems just too scarey then a minimum of two and a ramp (AKA scaffold board) __________________ "The final measure of any rider's skill is the inverse ratio of his preferred Traveling Speed to the number of bad scars on his body." Song of the sausage creature

10-07-2013, 03:31 PM	#3
Nwsparky Guest Posts: n/a	I was thinking 2 with wood through the wheels, had a row with the mrs about it today though. I think she actually thought I was joking, I said I was going to view with intention to buy and she flipped! I had a bad off 23 years ago when I was very young and foolish and she's convinced it will happen again! I've been to the bolldor on a bike since then albeit before we had kids but I know how careful I'd be and how limited my usage would be.... Gona be a nice atmosphere in our house tonight...

11-07-2013, 05:08 PM	#14
Fatal Guest Posts: n/a	Nwsparky, just been through the same scenario with my misses, Like you I had a accident around 7 years ago, leaving me with floppy wrists, like a pratt promised never to have another bike. (regretted saying it the next day) Last month the urge for another bike just got to strong and I broached the subject, She went ballistic, left it a week, she only just hit the roof, left it another week and she wasn't happy but asked the Daughter what she thought, little angel said she didn't want me to have one (could of killed her) After another week of me dragging my bottom lip on the floor She out of nowhere just said, if you want a bike get one. Within 24 hours and 400miles of travel looking at Monsters, the deal was done, before she could change her mind Bought a S2R 800, love it to bits Alan H

10-07-2013, 03:11 PM	#2
tricky73 Guest Posts: n/a	yeah either 2 and a ramp or 3 and a lump of wood to go through the wheels me and mate used the wood technique on a Yamaha Royal star which was bloody heavy so the monster should easy in comparison

10-07-2013, 06:26 PM	#4
Dirty Guest Posts: n/a	Forgiveness is always easier to get than permission

10-07-2013, 09:47 PM	#6
utopia No turn left unstoned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: leicester Bike: M750 Posts: 4,545	Dirty ...I like your style. One thing about having had a bad off in the past, is that it rams home the importance of defensive roadcraft and anticipation. But I daresay you've already pointed that out. The other thing is that monsters, with their torquey power characteristics and relatively gentle top end don't exactly encourage irresponsible riding ...and furthermore, while the 750 does have enough power to do most jobs well, it doesn't have the crazy excess of most other biggish bikes. And being a naked, you're not going to be wanting to go that quick on fast roads anyway. Is any of that likely to help ? You can quote me if you like.

11-07-2013, 06:12 AM	#10
Nwsparky Guest Posts: n/a	Utopia, I hear you! I've been through this with her, my eldest was always dead against so I haven't bothered but it must be cool to have a biker dad now because she really wants me to get one! I'm an electrician that works in dangerous places everyday! I could ski, scooba dive, play rugby, rock climb etc....as you say being a biker having tasted hospital food does make you careful. She sees the hooners fly past our house at ridiculous speeds and thinks all bikers are the same I think! She actually said get a scooter they're safer! 80mph with less weight, grip or power/braking force isn't any safer atall, they just look less likely to let you get carried away! My Megablade was about 18inches of the floor so was very hard to see coming but I survived that which was ridiculously quick and nimble..... It doesn't help most if not all our friends neighbours I've mentioned it too have also tried to discourage me, I'm just going to have to put a proper argument together or use Dirty's system. Life's too short to put things off... I need to be quick while the suns out!

11-07-2013, 10:48 AM	#11
tricky73 Guest Posts: n/a	Just do what i did I brought my first big bike and took it home and said do you like my Toy she said no we had an argument job done she got over it. too late when its brought and paid for. not like i would cause a divorce they know where there bread is buttered

11-07-2013, 05:00 PM	#13
Dirty Guest Posts: n/a	Reminds me of a mate who had various nice motors, M3, Porsches, Range Rover etc and always underplayed how much they cost. He went ballistic one day when he found out his wife had spent nearly £1500 on a handbag. During the blazing row it came out she'd always known roughly what the motors had cost and over the years had spent roughly the difference on shoes and handbags. They laugh about it now. 3 young kids later they drive a Ford people wagon and wear sensible shoes. That said he told me the other day he'd nearly fainted when he found out she'd spent £600 on a set of 3 saucepans. This was during the same conversation where he was telling me about his plans to buy a powered paraglider on the sly! Plus ca change!

11-07-2013, 05:40 PM	#15
Nwsparky Guest Posts: n/a	I think your right Fatal, a wearing down process is required, I'm already fed up with my own sulking I was going to mention it again when she just got in but the look on her face was enough to know it wasn't a good time! She was ranting about being skint and payday being a long way off and the car needs fuel blah, blah...she snapped at me, I snapped back, no chance...... She just went out with the kids saying she had no money for fuel so I threw her £40, she lit up and kissed me Perseverance and bribery will win her over, she's just a women....