Slow Monster rebuild - Page 40

Albie · 05-03-2018, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 350TSS

I shall paint the outside not sure whether before or after a new bearing has been fitted, first with etching primer then a gloss or satin black.
I find it odd that the spring recesses break into the inner face on both sides, I am pretty sure it was made that way

Yes they all like that. I wish I had a blast cabinet. Like kid in a sweet shop playing with that. Restorers dream.

Mr Gazza · 05-03-2018, 09:25 PM

Put the new bearing in first, then spray the plate, as it's easy to damage the new paint tapping the bearing in.
It's easy to mask the bearing from paint, by just dropping a penny washer over it (masking tape over the hole!)

I wish you hadn't blasted the top hat in the bearing though... Make sure to clean out all the grit from inside it and from behind the O-ring in the groove.

Nice toy BTW..

Dukedesmo · 05-03-2018, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 350TSS

I find it odd that the spring recesses break into the inner face on both sides, I am pretty sure it was made that way

They all do that, perfectly normal.

Albie · 05-03-2018, 09:35 PM

Get the top hat plated after it will rust unless you have a plan to turn one up.

350TSS · 05-03-2018, 10:04 PM

Mr Gazza:
Bearing first is logical and it avoids masking the housing which would be more challenging than the face of the bearing. Thanks
Did not realise there was an O ring in there, I think the original must be so worn as to have adopted the top hat bore size and given the condition before it went into the blast cabinet was therefore invisible - it will obviously now need to be replaced.
Albie: will probably zinc pate it with my home brewed plant

350TSS · 06-03-2018, 07:17 PM

Today I removed the old bearings from the clutch pressure plate and the outrigger bearing in the alternator case, I popped the cases in the AGA and about an hour later the alternator case bearing was on the bench. The clutch centre bearing however was very stubborn but was eventually subdued.
I also thought I should remove the large oil seal in the clutch casing which while it is off seems like a good plan to renew. This was also very stubborn and I had to resort to a diamond disc cutter in the Dremel. The angle of attack for the cutter was very awkward and I was anxious not to create an oil leak path in the housing. I settled on effectively grinding the sheet metal of the seal across the width of the seal (parallel to the face of the seal), any attack at 90 degrees to the seal would almost certainly result in damage to the seal housing. This is now out.
Finally, and rather reluctantly, I turned to the wiring and the male 5 pole connector I had struggled with on two days (and for 5 hours) last week. Each time I had tried to make it up either a pin broke or a crimp pulled off or the copper core broke, the result of all this was that each attempt resulted in a shortening of the cables coming from the loom. This was last chance as another 15 to 20mm shortening would mean that the wires would not reach on the intended route, If I failed this time then I would have to go back into the loom and replace at least one of the wires. No pressure then.
It took me twenty minutes and it was done, satisfying but exasperating - why would it not work last week???

350TSS · 06-03-2018, 07:18 PM

350TSS · 06-03-2018, 07:23 PM

PS does any one have the bearing cover plate that fits on the outside of the alternator case, mine got damaged when I got knocked off by an uninsured driver turning right to park facing the wrong way in a bus lane as I was overtaking him in Brixton about 15 years ago

Albie · 06-03-2018, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 350TSS

PS does any one have the bearing cover plate that fits on the outside of the alternator case, mine got damaged when I got knocked off by an uninsured driver turning right to park facing the wrong way in a bus lane as I was overtaking him in Brixton about 15 years ago

I have a spare one but not original. It's one made by one of the Ducati specialists and thicker than stock you could machine out his logo I will put in the car Richard

I think its Louigi Moto but if you don't want it its free to anyone else too.

Darren69 · 06-03-2018, 09:49 PM

IMO the standard clutch pressure plate is the cheapest piece of die cast rubbish ever to grace a Ducati. It's obviously designed to be replaced with a DP performance part or a better and cheaper billet aftermarket item along with the steel basket and friction plates too while your in there.

350TSS · 07-03-2018, 09:34 AM

Albie: definitely interested in the alternator plate so next time you pop round for a cuppa it would be appreciated if you could have it on board - although no immediate rush, my other one is serviceable but has a chunk abraded out of the rim next to one of the screw holes.
Darren: agree re pressure plate but project expenditure is now way above budget - probably something I will ask for as a Christmas present and therefore not counted in budget.
Already bought the alloy basket and hub and some Suzuki GS 550 alloy clutch plates which annoyingly fit the steel basket but foul on the stainless strengthening ring on the alloy basket so will have to be trimmed to fit.

Darren69 · 07-03-2018, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 350TSS

Albie: definitely interested in the alternator plate so next time you pop round for a cuppa it would be appreciated if you could have it on board - although no immediate rush, my other one is serviceable but has a chunk abraded out of the rim next to one of the screw holes.
Darren: agree re pressure plate but project expenditure is now way above budget - probably something I will ask for as a Christmas present and therefore not counted in budget.
Already bought the alloy basket and hub and some Suzuki GS 550 alloy clutch plates which annoyingly fit the steel basket but foul on the stainless strengthening ring on the alloy basket so will have to be trimmed to fit.

Don't mention Christmas already! Yea, keep your eye on ebay as sometimes they can be had reasonably cheap on there.

It'll be interesting to see how the GS clutch plates hold up. The friction material might not be up to the Ducati spec? I don't know.

Again ebay. I got a new set of Newfren friction plates not long ago for around £60 posted. I think Ducati were charging £16 each for them at the time when I asked, more now most likely.

Dukedesmo · 07-03-2018, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Darren69

Again ebay. I got a new set of Newfren friction plates not long ago for around £60 posted.

Newfren plates are fine, I've had them in my Monster from the start (and for a yeary in the 916 too), done 11k miles with no bother other than the tangs wearing a bit - but the OEM do the same and this bike is particularly harsh on the drive train so I'm happy with them.

Plus, at the price and given how easy they are to change in the dry clutch, even if they only last half the mileage then they're still good value...

Albie · 07-03-2018, 11:17 AM

I'm using new fren as recommended by some on here.

Albie · 07-03-2018, 07:23 PM

Heres the pics as you can see its quite thick around 8mm so room for modifying etc

IMG_3359[1] by Andy Patterson, on Flickr

IMG_3360[1] by Andy Patterson, on Flickr

IMG_3362[1] by Andy Patterson, on Flickr

Hope it helps Richard.

05-03-2018, 09:25 PM	#587
Mr Gazza Lord of the Rings Join Date: May 2013 Location: Norwich Bike: M900sie Posts: 5,984	Put the new bearing in first, then spray the plate, as it's easy to damage the new paint tapping the bearing in. It's easy to mask the bearing from paint, by just dropping a penny washer over it (masking tape over the hole!) I wish you hadn't blasted the top hat in the bearing though... Make sure to clean out all the grit from inside it and from behind the O-ring in the groove. Nice toy BTW.. __________________

05-03-2018, 09:35 PM	#589
Albie Fanactical volunteer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Kent Bike: M900 Posts: 9,034	Get the top hat plated after it will rust unless you have a plan to turn one up. __________________ http://albies93m900.blogspot.co.uk/

06-03-2018, 09:49 PM	#595
Darren69 Transmaniacon MOC Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Sutton In Ashfield Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 6,095	IMO the standard clutch pressure plate is the cheapest piece of die cast rubbish ever to grace a Ducati. It's obviously designed to be replaced with a DP performance part or a better and cheaper billet aftermarket item along with the steel basket and friction plates too while your in there. __________________ Roast Beef Monster! Termignoni and Bucci - Italian for pipe and slippers! S4 Fogarty, S4R 07T, 748, Series 1 Mirage

07-03-2018, 11:17 AM	#599
Albie Fanactical volunteer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Kent Bike: M900 Posts: 9,034	I'm using new fren as recommended by some on here. __________________ http://albies93m900.blogspot.co.uk/

07-03-2018, 07:23 PM	#600
Albie Fanactical volunteer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Kent Bike: M900 Posts: 9,034	Heres the pics as you can see its quite thick around 8mm so room for modifying etc IMG_3359[1] by Andy Patterson, on Flickr IMG_3360[1] by Andy Patterson, on Flickr IMG_3362[1] by Andy Patterson, on Flickr Hope it helps Richard. __________________ http://albies93m900.blogspot.co.uk/

05-03-2018, 10:04 PM	#590
350TSS Too much time on my hands member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Shipbourne Bike: M900 Posts: 1,422	Mr Gazza: Bearing first is logical and it avoids masking the housing which would be more challenging than the face of the bearing. Thanks Did not realise there was an O ring in there, I think the original must be so worn as to have adopted the top hat bore size and given the condition before it went into the blast cabinet was therefore invisible - it will obviously now need to be replaced. Albie: will probably zinc pate it with my home brewed plant

06-03-2018, 07:17 PM	#591
350TSS Too much time on my hands member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Shipbourne Bike: M900 Posts: 1,422	Today I removed the old bearings from the clutch pressure plate and the outrigger bearing in the alternator case, I popped the cases in the AGA and about an hour later the alternator case bearing was on the bench. The clutch centre bearing however was very stubborn but was eventually subdued. I also thought I should remove the large oil seal in the clutch casing which while it is off seems like a good plan to renew. This was also very stubborn and I had to resort to a diamond disc cutter in the Dremel. The angle of attack for the cutter was very awkward and I was anxious not to create an oil leak path in the housing. I settled on effectively grinding the sheet metal of the seal across the width of the seal (parallel to the face of the seal), any attack at 90 degrees to the seal would almost certainly result in damage to the seal housing. This is now out. Finally, and rather reluctantly, I turned to the wiring and the male 5 pole connector I had struggled with on two days (and for 5 hours) last week. Each time I had tried to make it up either a pin broke or a crimp pulled off or the copper core broke, the result of all this was that each attempt resulted in a shortening of the cables coming from the loom. This was last chance as another 15 to 20mm shortening would mean that the wires would not reach on the intended route, If I failed this time then I would have to go back into the loom and replace at least one of the wires. No pressure then. It took me twenty minutes and it was done, satisfying but exasperating - why would it not work last week???

06-03-2018, 07:18 PM	#592
350TSS Too much time on my hands member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Shipbourne Bike: M900 Posts: 1,422

06-03-2018, 07:23 PM	#593
350TSS Too much time on my hands member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Shipbourne Bike: M900 Posts: 1,422	PS does any one have the bearing cover plate that fits on the outside of the alternator case, mine got damaged when I got knocked off by an uninsured driver turning right to park facing the wrong way in a bus lane as I was overtaking him in Brixton about 15 years ago

07-03-2018, 09:34 AM	#596
350TSS Too much time on my hands member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Shipbourne Bike: M900 Posts: 1,422	Albie: definitely interested in the alternator plate so next time you pop round for a cuppa it would be appreciated if you could have it on board - although no immediate rush, my other one is serviceable but has a chunk abraded out of the rim next to one of the screw holes. Darren: agree re pressure plate but project expenditure is now way above budget - probably something I will ask for as a Christmas present and therefore not counted in budget. Already bought the alloy basket and hub and some Suzuki GS 550 alloy clutch plates which annoyingly fit the steel basket but foul on the stainless strengthening ring on the alloy basket so will have to be trimmed to fit.