Back with a M900 series I - Page 36

Darren69 · 15-01-2020, 12:12 PM

Is the frame ok? The early ones were prone to crack around the headstock.

Albie · 15-01-2020, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Darren69

Is the frame ok? The early ones were prone to crack around the headstock.

Yes the frame is ok.

Darkness · 15-01-2020, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Albie

Over the last week or so the bike has been dismantled to bagged up bits again. Some have asked why so extreme but the frame definitely needs a respray by a professional. Whilst all is good from roughly air pods back I see at least 6 paint cracks on steering stem and the rails around there. It was originally powdercoated and it was not right colour. I'm not confident on rubbing back the affected areas and rattle cans again and is too much of a gamble. Its winter and I have nowhere to paint and keep it warm.
So now the engine is free of bike too so can do those pistons. I may need help as never done a desmo setup but assuming it has been shimmed it should be ok again. I have new gaskets etc so may as stood static for 18 months plus need new belts.
I'm still after a rear inner mudguard but one with no cracked fittings or drilled holes from alarms etc. Also I need still a air box breather pipe and another pipe from the carb breather pods as both items has splits.

Can you flag up precisely which bits on the parts diagram? If so, I’ll check out my spares stash.

350TSS · 15-01-2020, 06:49 PM

From my admittedly limited experience of powder coating I would paint the frame rather than powder coating it. Powder is too soft and scratches quite easily and it is not readily repairable.

slob · 15-01-2020, 07:03 PM

Albie · 15-01-2020, 08:43 PM

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Hows your recovery going Rob. I dont think any more elephants missing. Just some better parts. I have a clutch reservoir to swap out as is later one on it. Had a radius on early one.

Darren69 · 15-01-2020, 09:46 PM

The main problem with powder coating Ducati frames is matching the original colour. Any thing powder ciatec gold tends to look brown.

Darkness · 15-01-2020, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Darren69

The main problem with powder coating Ducati frames is matching the original colour. Any thing powder ciatec gold tends to look brown.

The main problem with powder coating frames is that you can’t match the original colour.

Luddite · 15-01-2020, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Albie

I'm still after a rear inner mudguard but one with no cracked fittings or drilled holes from alarms etc.

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Originally Posted by Darkness

Can you flag up precisely which bits on the parts diagram? If so, I’ll check out my spares stash.

If Darkness can't help you, Albie, and it's either of these parts, then Stein Dinse are showing them as still available so Moto Rapido should be able to help.

Darkness · 16-01-2020, 09:43 AM

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If Darkness can't help you, Albie, and it's either of these parts, then Stein Dinse are showing them as still available so Moto Rapido should be able to help.

The rear mudguard you show is slightly different from the ‘93 and early ‘94 ones. The web/fin connecting the indicator mounts wasn’t there.

Darkness · 26-05-2020, 02:40 PM

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Can you flag up precisely which bits on the parts diagram? If so, I’ll check out my spares stash.

Check out this one Albie: I think it’s off my old ‘94?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ducati-Mo...EAAOSweNVesFAD

Darren69 · 26-05-2020, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkness

The main problem with powder coating frames is that you can’t match the original colour.

Isn't that what I just said? Plain colours like black or white and even metallic now are ok but the original colour bronze/gold colour cannot be reproduced in powder coat afaik. If someobody knows different please enlighten us.

Nasher · 26-05-2020, 04:08 PM

Matching the colour is possible, I work with colour matched Powder coating in the Aviation industry a lot.

But, somebody needs to spend the development time and cost with a powder manufacturer matching it.

Obviously powder cannot be colour matched at the coaters by mixing, and has to be matched at the powder manufacturer first.

What the development cost for this is I don't know as the special colours we use are developed by airlines and we're given permission to buy them.
I'd imagine you are looking at @£2-£5k for development, then the low volume production powders are @£75 - £100/kg with an MOQ of 25 or 50Kgs.

Nasher.

Nasher · 26-05-2020, 04:10 PM

I will ask my contact at Trimite what the potential cost would be, but he's likely to want permission from Ducati before doing the work.

Nasher.

Nasher · 26-05-2020, 04:40 PM

My contact has confirmed a 50Kg MOQ on colour matched metalics.

I've sent him a couple of images of bits of my M900 frame and he'll let me know ASAP what the likely cost of colour matching and cost/Kg would be.

Nasher

15-01-2020, 12:12 PM	#526
Darren69 Transmaniacon MOC Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Sutton In Ashfield Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 6,095	Is the frame ok? The early ones were prone to crack around the headstock. __________________ Roast Beef Monster! Termignoni and Bucci - Italian for pipe and slippers! S4 Fogarty, S4R 07T, 748, Series 1 Mirage

15-01-2020, 09:46 PM	#532
Darren69 Transmaniacon MOC Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Sutton In Ashfield Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 6,095	The main problem with powder coating Ducati frames is matching the original colour. Any thing powder ciatec gold tends to look brown. __________________ Roast Beef Monster! Termignoni and Bucci - Italian for pipe and slippers! S4 Fogarty, S4R 07T, 748, Series 1 Mirage

26-05-2020, 04:08 PM	#538
Nasher Registered User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Portsmouth Bike: M900 Posts: 1,518	Matching the colour is possible, I work with colour matched Powder coating in the Aviation industry a lot. But, somebody needs to spend the development time and cost with a powder manufacturer matching it. Obviously powder cannot be colour matched at the coaters by mixing, and has to be matched at the powder manufacturer first. What the development cost for this is I don't know as the special colours we use are developed by airlines and we're given permission to buy them. I'd imagine you are looking at @£2-£5k for development, then the low volume production powders are @£75 - £100/kg with an MOQ of 25 or 50Kgs. Nasher. __________________ Heaven doesn't want me, and Hell is afraid I'll take over.

26-05-2020, 04:10 PM	#539
Nasher Registered User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Portsmouth Bike: M900 Posts: 1,518	I will ask my contact at Trimite what the potential cost would be, but he's likely to want permission from Ducati before doing the work. Nasher. __________________ Heaven doesn't want me, and Hell is afraid I'll take over.

26-05-2020, 04:40 PM	#540
Nasher Registered User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Portsmouth Bike: M900 Posts: 1,518	My contact has confirmed a 50Kg MOQ on colour matched metalics. I've sent him a couple of images of bits of my M900 frame and he'll let me know ASAP what the likely cost of colour matching and cost/Kg would be. Nasher __________________ Heaven doesn't want me, and Hell is afraid I'll take over.

15-01-2020, 06:49 PM	#529
350TSS Too much time on my hands member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Shipbourne Bike: M900 Posts: 1,422	From my admittedly limited experience of powder coating I would paint the frame rather than powder coating it. Powder is too soft and scratches quite easily and it is not readily repairable.

15-01-2020, 07:03 PM	#530
slob . Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 9,736