Monster 1200 R - Page 2

Darren69 · 10-09-2015, 09:42 AM

I do think its a bit short-sighted of Ducati to not have a smaller entry level Monster, especially considering it was the M600 that was the most popular bike and kept them going and pretty much saved them from going under.

SunEye · 10-09-2015, 12:31 PM

The 1200 DVT engine from the Multistrada will almost certainly be used in the new Monster 1200R and the next Diavel. They'll also make an 821 DVT for the Monster and Hyper by 2017. They have to replace the engines in all those bikes by 2017 because they don't meet emissions regs. The DVT engines meet emissions regs until at least 2021.

Now that the Scrambler is the entry point to the Ducati brand (as marketing folk would say) and selling very well I can't see them building a Monster smaller and cheaper than the 821.

The Scrambler will need to meet Euro 4 emissions regs by 2017. It is only currently Euro 3 compliant so it will have an engine change for 2017. Cheapest thing would be to use the 821 engine. If they want to keep it aircooled they need to engineer the DVT system into the existing engine or design a new aircooled engine.

Black Bob · 13-09-2015, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Shuffy

Is there any chance they'll make something Monsterlike for mere mortals and old duffers like me? The choice appears a little limited....

It does. Ducati no longer make a naked motorcycle that I like.

But never mind because other makes of motorcycle are available.... as are plenty of 2nd hand Evos and 1100s.

steeevvvooo · 14-09-2015, 07:50 PM

Photos posted on mototriti Facebook page. In typical Italian style the 1200R page on Ducati.com now shows a "discover" button rather than just a "keep me informed" button, but seems to be be a dead link!

Edit: now just "keep me informed" again

steeevvvooo · 14-09-2015, 08:00 PM

http://m.ducati.com/bikes/monster/mo...200_r/index.do

Details here

steeevvvooo · 14-09-2015, 08:19 PM

https://youtu.be/as0xzkT4dGI

uksurfer · 14-09-2015, 08:22 PM

No price yet?

Surprised it doesn't come with a quick shifter and titanium exhaust

Looks pretty smart, I wouldn't say no

steeevvvooo · 14-09-2015, 08:58 PM

I like it, although it seems that apart from the engine most of the changes are cosmetic which is a little disapointing

Edit: higher stance, New footpegs, lighter wheels, New ohlins... Maybe it is enough of a change and addresses some issues people have had with the 1200, namely poor foot position and slower turn in (vs the 821 at least)

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-...led/28158.html

Note the quote "at the rear end grip is guaranteed by the 200/55 x ZR17 size tyres"... Really?!? I'd buy one right now if rear grip is guaranteed!!!!

SunEye · 14-09-2015, 09:26 PM

Ducati say that the M1200R is their most powerful naked bike ever. The recently released specs say 160bhp 96lbft, but the Diavel makes 162bhp 96lbft. Is the Diavel not a naked bike?

slob · 14-09-2015, 09:35 PM

It's 30kg lighter than a Diavel (and has a little more cornring clearance too)

steeevvvooo · 14-09-2015, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by slob

It's 30kg lighter than a Diavel (and has a little more cornring clearance too)

For sure...

I guess the diavel isn't a naked technically but I see the point being made.

I bet the R is amazing but could be super expensive. I guess a 821 with carbon wheels and some trick suspension would run to similar money and be better in the real.world... But the R would be something special. Can't wait for the first reviews

tricolore · 14-09-2015, 10:12 PM

All on the website now:

http://ducati.com/monster/1200r.do

Saint aka ML · 14-09-2015, 10:18 PM

Cool looking bike, just one thing that bothers me it is only 2kg lighter then 1200s or is that a mistake somewhere?

1200s 182kg, 1200R 180kg?

I can **** our more than that in morning!!

SunEye · 14-09-2015, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slob

It's 30kg lighter than a Diavel (and has a little more cornring clearance too)

Absolutely! It should be an awesome machine, however best power to weight ratio is not the same as most powerful.

Saint aka ML · 14-09-2015, 10:26 PM

Come to think of that S4rs is 177kg stock so erm how come 1200s Ducati got so fat with allegedly lighter vacum cast cases?

10-09-2015, 09:42 AM	#16
Darren69 Transmaniacon MOC Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Sutton In Ashfield Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 6,095	I do think its a bit short-sighted of Ducati to not have a smaller entry level Monster, especially considering it was the M600 that was the most popular bike and kept them going and pretty much saved them from going under. __________________ Roast Beef Monster! Termignoni and Bucci - Italian for pipe and slippers! S4 Fogarty, S4R 07T, 748, Series 1 Mirage

14-09-2015, 07:50 PM	#19
steeevvvooo Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bromley Bike: M1100evo Posts: 1,512	Photos posted on mototriti Facebook page. In typical Italian style the 1200R page on Ducati.com now shows a "discover" button rather than just a "keep me informed" button, but seems to be be a dead link! Edit: now just "keep me informed" again Last edited by steeevvvooo; 14-09-2015 at 07:54 PM..

14-09-2015, 08:22 PM	#22
uksurfer Its all grey now Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: southampton Bike: M1200s Posts: 2,940	No price yet? Surprised it doesn't come with a quick shifter and titanium exhaust Looks pretty smart, I wouldn't say no __________________ Evolution - M600 - S4 - M796 - M1100evo - M1200s

14-09-2015, 08:58 PM	#23
steeevvvooo Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bromley Bike: M1100evo Posts: 1,512	I like it, although it seems that apart from the engine most of the changes are cosmetic which is a little disapointing Edit: higher stance, New footpegs, lighter wheels, New ohlins... Maybe it is enough of a change and addresses some issues people have had with the 1200, namely poor foot position and slower turn in (vs the 821 at least) http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-...led/28158.html Note the quote "at the rear end grip is guaranteed by the 200/55 x ZR17 size tyres"... Really?!? I'd buy one right now if rear grip is guaranteed!!!! Last edited by steeevvvooo; 14-09-2015 at 09:02 PM..

14-09-2015, 10:18 PM	#28
Saint aka ML Junior ah to be young Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: London Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 2,058	Cool looking bike, just one thing that bothers me it is only 2kg lighter then 1200s or is that a mistake somewhere? 1200s 182kg, 1200R 180kg? I can **** our more than that in morning!! __________________ "I am Lucazade"

10-09-2015, 12:31 PM	#17
SunEye Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Bognor Regis Bike: Other Ducati Posts: 589	The 1200 DVT engine from the Multistrada will almost certainly be used in the new Monster 1200R and the next Diavel. They'll also make an 821 DVT for the Monster and Hyper by 2017. They have to replace the engines in all those bikes by 2017 because they don't meet emissions regs. The DVT engines meet emissions regs until at least 2021. Now that the Scrambler is the entry point to the Ducati brand (as marketing folk would say) and selling very well I can't see them building a Monster smaller and cheaper than the 821. The Scrambler will need to meet Euro 4 emissions regs by 2017. It is only currently Euro 3 compliant so it will have an engine change for 2017. Cheapest thing would be to use the 821 engine. If they want to keep it aircooled they need to engineer the DVT system into the existing engine or design a new aircooled engine.

14-09-2015, 08:00 PM	#20
steeevvvooo Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bromley Bike: M1100evo Posts: 1,512	http://m.ducati.com/bikes/monster/mo...200_r/index.do Details here

14-09-2015, 08:19 PM	#21
steeevvvooo Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bromley Bike: M1100evo Posts: 1,512	https://youtu.be/as0xzkT4dGI

14-09-2015, 09:26 PM	#24
SunEye Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Bognor Regis Bike: Other Ducati Posts: 589	Ducati say that the M1200R is their most powerful naked bike ever. The recently released specs say 160bhp 96lbft, but the Diavel makes 162bhp 96lbft. Is the Diavel not a naked bike?

14-09-2015, 09:35 PM	#25
slob . Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 9,736	It's 30kg lighter than a Diavel (and has a little more cornring clearance too)

14-09-2015, 10:12 PM	#27
tricolore Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Birmingham Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 227	All on the website now: http://ducati.com/monster/1200r.do

14-09-2015, 10:26 PM	#30
Saint aka ML Junior ah to be young Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: London Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 2,058	Come to think of that S4rs is 177kg stock so erm how come 1200s Ducati got so fat with allegedly lighter vacum cast cases? __________________ "I am Lucazade"