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23-10-2021, 02:43 PM | #16 |
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Technically it’s ‘07, although many manufaturers adopted early. It’s not in TFL interest to invest in doing this efficiently, as that just decreases revenue for them, whatever the official excuse.
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23-10-2021, 05:12 PM | #17 | |
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But, at least in my experience, even if your official V5 document clearly says it’s euro 3 standard, they’ll insist on you getting and sending them the CoC for your specific bike, unless the V5 also includes specific nox etc figures. There is no real policy/legal basis for this (given TFL readily accept 2007 onwards V5’s which only state Euro 3, but also don’t give specific figures) but they don’t care. If TFL are particularly slow and incompetent and you make a big enough fuss, as I did, they may refund you the CoC cost in the guise of an ex gratia payment so they can pretend no precedent has been set for accepting what the V5 says on pre-2007 bikes and continue to boost revenue/force older vehicles off the road… |
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24-10-2021, 06:44 AM | #18 |
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A £12.50 charge per day is bad enough but the new ULEZ coming into effect in Edinburgh doesn't have that option, if you enter the area in a non-compliant vehicle you are committing an offence and will be issued a fixed penalty notice of £60, this then doubles for each subsequent offence up to a maximum of £980.
Suddenly £12.50 doesn't seem so bad. I'm self employed and my van is 2012 Euro5, the cut off is 2014 Euro6, so I either have to buy a new van or turn down any work in the ctiy. |
24-10-2021, 06:59 PM | #19 |
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And what about “Weegies” going to the American Duc guy off Leith Rd for service...how will that work?
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24-10-2021, 07:25 PM | #20 | |
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24-10-2021, 09:22 PM | #21 |
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My 2001 S4 is E3 compliant sadly its not in UK none of my other bikes are ,the 750's , except the 50 year old HD shovelhead exempt on classic grounds ,, mid u it runs ok on E10 ,, Chip fat and probably diesel
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24-10-2021, 10:10 PM | #22 |
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If you're basing that on the sticker on the airbox, Jerry, see above, that's not actually anything to do with emissions standards, it's the country identification code of the manufacturer - E3 = Italy.
Euro 3 for bike's didn't come in until 2006, so your 2001 S4 will be Euro 1, which applied from 1999. Having said that, however, I'm sure your S4 will be compliant as I've read that a 1998 916 was tested at NOx of 0.09g/km, which is well within the limits. You'd just need to either get yours tested or produce a CoC. |
24-10-2021, 10:59 PM | #23 |
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I've just found they're actually listed in the Monster Bible. The first Euro 3 Monsters were the SR series from '04 with those ugly cow udder exhausts. The earlier IE bikes 750 up are Euro 1 the 620ie Euro 2. Couldn't find the S4 listed but would expect it will be 1.
I made the same assumptions based on the sticker too.
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25-10-2021, 06:20 AM | #24 | |
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Check the 'City of Edinburgh' website for the area covered and their 'check your vehicle' page to see if yours is affected or not. There's different ages and Euro compliance levels for Diesel/Petrol, Cars/Bikes etc. |
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25-10-2021, 06:37 AM | #25 |
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25-10-2021, 12:05 PM | #26 |
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I've just had a chat with Ducati UK about this and initiated a request for a 'ULEZ declaration' via Italy, my understanding is this should be free from Ducati's point of view and should usually take two to three weeks to process. I will update this thread as soon as I've confirmed how this works and moved on to dealing with the dreaded TFL.
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25-10-2021, 06:19 PM | #27 | |
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25-10-2021, 09:13 PM | #28 |
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No ,S4 2001 is a Japan model and its got E3 stamps all over it , Thai paperwork from transport dept and Import export papers from Japan also list it as E3
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25-10-2021, 09:28 PM | #29 |
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As per the earlier post ‘E3’ = Made in Italy, not ‘Euro 3’
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25-10-2021, 10:08 PM | #30 | |
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Also, Japan's emission limits for 2001 would not have met the Euro 3 levels - Japan NOx 0.3 g/km vs Euro 3 NOx 0.15 g/km. Having said that, the S4 would still probably pass the ULEZ criteria for NOx if you had it tested but it's all academic anyway as yours is in Thailand. All this might be useful for anyone else thinking of running an S4 in London though, I suppose. |
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