Ducati Monster 900 rebuild - Page 14

buzzer · 05-05-2021, 10:52 AM

They are W1 and W2 heads.... Disks are not rusty, but are magnetic... but i doubt they are cast iron.

how do I tell if they are goldline callipers?

Mr Gazza · 05-05-2021, 11:09 AM

They would be brown! Come to think of it the carrier pattern would be different too.

Not an "S" then, but still very nice and adjustable forks are a bonus..

You snuck in with an edit while I was posting!!.. Goldline calipers have two lines cast in either side of the Brembo logo, I'll post a picture later when I come in for lunch.

walkingpictures · 05-05-2021, 11:21 AM

On the face of it that looks half decent Tony,will be looking forward to another build thread to join the other brilliant ones on here at the moment

Kimbo

slob · 05-05-2021, 11:48 AM

they're the regular old -style stainless ones, Ducati's (floating) cast iron discs have alternate triangular and circular holes in the carriers.

Darren69 · 05-05-2021, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slob

they're the regular old -style stainless ones, Ducati's (floating) cast iron discs have alternate triangular and circular holes in the carriers.

Correct of course and the carriers I think would be billet alloy whereas the standard ones are steel.

Mr Gazza · 05-05-2021, 01:40 PM

I've realised that the calipers are not the "Goldline" ones as they have 40mm centre mounting bolts to suit the earlier forks.

1999 is an interesting pre-facelift year. as noted, it has the new remote reservoir clutch and brake masters and a twin clock dash.
In 2000 the M900(ie) got electronic injection, "superbike" forks with a different mudguard to suit the strap round mounts and the Goldline calipers with 65mm mounting centres. The tank and seat got a bigger radius in the kneepad area, the seat catch changed to a spike instead of a loop and the filler cap grew in diameter to get the fuel pump in and out.
The indicators changed to elliptical ones and the tea tray became more curvaceous. (Yours has been chopped off anyway!)
It also got new lightweight Brembo wheels with the thin end of the spokes at the rim end.
In 2001 it got a new frame without a hoop link on the rear and a more complicated ECU.

Yours looks cock on for a 1999 though apart from the tail dock when it was a kitten! Truly the last of the carburated M900's.

Darren69 · 05-05-2021, 02:25 PM

750 heads though

I'd be thinking St2 944 conversion since it is already chopped its never going to be an original '99 spec bike.

slob · 05-05-2021, 02:32 PM

The only difference in the calipers is the mountings, both types have 30/34mm pistons, so should have the same performance

buzzer · 05-05-2021, 06:44 PM

Well there were a few electrical faults... one was a very poor earth, and someone had transposed the wires on the coils! Also, the HT leads were not very firm in the plug caps, relying on the rubber boot to hold it in. there was evidence of arcing...

It runs and sounds OK! the clutch is noisy, and the stack height is low, so I have ordered some plates, and some cam belts as although these look brand new its stood for a long time.

I have cleaned the carbs, but they were already VERY clean like someone had already been in there. One of the mixture screws was solid, and badly mashed up, but I managed to get it out ok and will order a couple.

New battery on order as well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCEjPF5Ufdk

Luddite · 05-05-2021, 07:31 PM

Well, that didn't take long! Well done!

What's the next project?

buzzer · 07-05-2021, 05:48 PM

Interesting... I took the Blue Monster up the road today... and I have to say it goes well! in fact, much much better than the red one, and that has big valve heads on it!

the only difference I can think is the red one has an ignitech on it, the blue one is standard.

Has anyone got an ignitech file for a monster they would be prepared top share?

buzzer · 02-06-2021, 01:02 PM

Well the blue Monster didn't last long... it was too good to restore, and I didn't fancy chopping it about.

I thought long and hard on what I wanted... and decided I wanted to build a scrambles type bike, and a good basis for that was another multistrada. So here she is. 2003... 16k miles, and runs sweet as anything! I will be selling parts off that I know I wont use over the forthcoming weeks, and then pop it to the back of the garage until I start it in earnest in the Autumn.

I don't feel bad about chopping a Multi about, they are all going to die eventually with failed fuel tanks as we move from E5 to E10. I notice this tank is already an inch longer than it started life!

Watch this space!

Nasher · 02-06-2021, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzer

I don't feel bad about chopping a Multi about,

Yep I agree, and an Early Multi is certainly on my list of bikes to 'Do'.
But I've a vision of a desert racer in my head using more conventional looking fairings and a conventional swingarm.

Nasher.

Darkness · 02-06-2021, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nasher

Yep I agree, and an Early Multi is certainly on my list of bikes to 'Do'.
But I've a vision of a desert racer in my head using more conventional looking fairings and a conventional swingarm.

Nasher.

You could always get an Elefant?

I was wondering how hard it would be to drop a dual spark in one!

Nasher · 02-06-2021, 02:09 PM

Darkness, I'm shocked.
I'd have thought you'd have realised that just buying something ready made would be far too easy for me!

Although, the way I look at it is that to put a DS motor in an Elephant would involve a complete strip and change of Loom and many other ancilleries, so a bare frame job. Starting with a MS1000DS and building round the core of it is a far easier proposition.
Perhaps adding Elephant bodywork to a MS1000 is the way to go, and not too dissimilar to when I put the 900SL bodywork on my 1000SS.

EDIT - I really wish I'd not typed that last sentance, I'm not going to be happy until I've investigated that idea and possibly built it.
It's all your fault Darkness.

Nasher.

05-05-2021, 10:52 AM	#196
buzzer Registered User Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Wolverhampton Bike: M900 Posts: 406	They are W1 and W2 heads.... Disks are not rusty, but are magnetic... but i doubt they are cast iron. how do I tell if they are goldline callipers? Last edited by buzzer; 05-05-2021 at 11:07 AM..

05-05-2021, 11:09 AM	#197
Mr Gazza Lord of the Rings Join Date: May 2013 Location: Norwich Bike: M900sie Posts: 5,984	They would be brown! Come to think of it the carrier pattern would be different too. Not an "S" then, but still very nice and adjustable forks are a bonus.. You snuck in with an edit while I was posting!!.. Goldline calipers have two lines cast in either side of the Brembo logo, I'll post a picture later when I come in for lunch. __________________ Last edited by Mr Gazza; 05-05-2021 at 11:12 AM..

05-05-2021, 01:40 PM	#201
Mr Gazza Lord of the Rings Join Date: May 2013 Location: Norwich Bike: M900sie Posts: 5,984	I've realised that the calipers are not the "Goldline" ones as they have 40mm centre mounting bolts to suit the earlier forks. 1999 is an interesting pre-facelift year. as noted, it has the new remote reservoir clutch and brake masters and a twin clock dash. In 2000 the M900(ie) got electronic injection, "superbike" forks with a different mudguard to suit the strap round mounts and the Goldline calipers with 65mm mounting centres. The tank and seat got a bigger radius in the kneepad area, the seat catch changed to a spike instead of a loop and the filler cap grew in diameter to get the fuel pump in and out. The indicators changed to elliptical ones and the tea tray became more curvaceous. (Yours has been chopped off anyway!) It also got new lightweight Brembo wheels with the thin end of the spokes at the rim end. In 2001 it got a new frame without a hoop link on the rear and a more complicated ECU. Yours looks cock on for a 1999 though apart from the tail dock when it was a kitten! Truly the last of the carburated M900's. __________________

05-05-2021, 02:25 PM	#202
Darren69 Transmaniacon MOC Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Sutton In Ashfield Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 6,095	750 heads though I'd be thinking St2 944 conversion since it is already chopped its never going to be an original '99 spec bike. __________________ Roast Beef Monster! Termignoni and Bucci - Italian for pipe and slippers! S4 Fogarty, S4R 07T, 748, Series 1 Mirage

02-06-2021, 02:09 PM	#210
Nasher Registered User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Portsmouth Bike: M900 Posts: 1,518	Darkness, I'm shocked. I'd have thought you'd have realised that just buying something ready made would be far too easy for me! Although, the way I look at it is that to put a DS motor in an Elephant would involve a complete strip and change of Loom and many other ancilleries, so a bare frame job. Starting with a MS1000DS and building round the core of it is a far easier proposition. Perhaps adding Elephant bodywork to a MS1000 is the way to go, and not too dissimilar to when I put the 900SL bodywork on my 1000SS. EDIT - I really wish I'd not typed that last sentance, I'm not going to be happy until I've investigated that idea and possibly built it. It's all your fault Darkness. Nasher. __________________ Heaven doesn't want me, and Hell is afraid I'll take over. Last edited by Nasher; 02-06-2021 at 02:11 PM..

05-05-2021, 11:21 AM	#198
walkingpictures preneolithic frebie Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cambridge Bike: S4Rs Posts: 329	On the face of it that looks half decent Tony,will be looking forward to another build thread to join the other brilliant ones on here at the moment Kimbo

05-05-2021, 11:48 AM	#199
slob . Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 9,737	they're the regular old -style stainless ones, Ducati's (floating) cast iron discs have alternate triangular and circular holes in the carriers.

05-05-2021, 02:32 PM	#203
slob . Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 9,737	The only difference in the calipers is the mountings, both types have 30/34mm pistons, so should have the same performance

05-05-2021, 06:44 PM	#204
buzzer Registered User Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Wolverhampton Bike: M900 Posts: 406	Well there were a few electrical faults... one was a very poor earth, and someone had transposed the wires on the coils! Also, the HT leads were not very firm in the plug caps, relying on the rubber boot to hold it in. there was evidence of arcing... It runs and sounds OK! the clutch is noisy, and the stack height is low, so I have ordered some plates, and some cam belts as although these look brand new its stood for a long time. I have cleaned the carbs, but they were already VERY clean like someone had already been in there. One of the mixture screws was solid, and badly mashed up, but I managed to get it out ok and will order a couple. New battery on order as well! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCEjPF5Ufdk

05-05-2021, 07:31 PM	#205
Luddite Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Southampton Bike: M1100evo Posts: 2,465	Well, that didn't take long! Well done! What's the next project?

07-05-2021, 05:48 PM	#206
buzzer Registered User Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Wolverhampton Bike: M900 Posts: 406	Interesting... I took the Blue Monster up the road today... and I have to say it goes well! in fact, much much better than the red one, and that has big valve heads on it! the only difference I can think is the red one has an ignitech on it, the blue one is standard. Has anyone got an ignitech file for a monster they would be prepared top share?

02-06-2021, 01:02 PM	#207
buzzer Registered User Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Wolverhampton Bike: M900 Posts: 406	Well the blue Monster didn't last long... it was too good to restore, and I didn't fancy chopping it about. I thought long and hard on what I wanted... and decided I wanted to build a scrambles type bike, and a good basis for that was another multistrada. So here she is. 2003... 16k miles, and runs sweet as anything! I will be selling parts off that I know I wont use over the forthcoming weeks, and then pop it to the back of the garage until I start it in earnest in the Autumn. I don't feel bad about chopping a Multi about, they are all going to die eventually with failed fuel tanks as we move from E5 to E10. I notice this tank is already an inch longer than it started life! Watch this space!