Advice please on rebuilding a 2005 Monster - Page 2

06-09-2019, 09:38 AM

All - many thanks for all your top tips.

Gazza - Thaats any biscuits you like old chap. Hobnobs, digsetives, custard creams. You name it.

Utopia - Many thanks for your offer of your ultrasonic cleaner, when Gazza has finished with it. I'll liaise with Gazza and lure him with Bourbons and stottie cake.

The fuel tank is plastic and has been empty for 5 years. If there's a fuel pump inside is likely to be gummed up with modern fuel additives, so could we ultrasonic clean that too, or just carb cleaner?

Mr Gazza · 06-09-2019, 10:15 AM

I'm very strict with my biscuits. I have exactly two chocolate Hobnobs every day as a special treat when I get home from work... I can eat only one Pringle too..

We'll have to sort a time to view this gestating Monster, I think Dacs and Grumpy would like a look too, so could be quite a party?

Regarding the injectors; 30 minutes in the tank should do the trick.
Regarding the fuel pump, not sure that ultra-sound cleaning would be ideal? But probably wouldn't do any harm provided it was thoroughly dried out afterwards, as the cleaning medium is mostly water. A quick dunk in some clutch and brake cleaner afterwards should get rid of the water come to think of it.
The best thing might be to just immerse it in clean fresh petrol to soften any residues, then just circulate them round in normal use, relying on the new filter* to catch anything thus loosened? Or in other words, just use it.

Any thoughts on that from the UKMOC think tank?

*Fuel filter = Mahle KL145. This is also a common BMW fitment, often listed a bit cheaper for beemers? Try Opie Oils, but shop around.

mickj · 06-09-2019, 10:24 AM

When it's all rebuilt Hamish use Esso premium fuel as that is ethanol free.

slob · 06-09-2019, 11:24 AM

I would definitely soak the pump in fresh fuel (maybe with a dash of injector cleaner mixed in) ovenight. Then turn the ignition on and off repeatedly to see if it's still alive, you should hear a buzz as it primes each time the ignition is switched on if it's not gummed up solid.

IIRC Fuel filter is a little different on plastic tank models, it's a grey plastic unit that attaches to the access plate/pump assembly in the bottom of the tank. Steel tank bikes have a pressed steel filter that's accessed by removing the filler neck. The guys at Moto Rapido will know which one, just tell them you've got a plastic tank model.

Mr Gazza · 06-09-2019, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slob

IIRC Fuel filter is a little different on plastic tank models,

Yes.. What Slob says.. Mahle KL145 is for metal tanks.

Darren69 · 06-09-2019, 02:04 PM

You mentioned earlier about removing the immobilizer? Do you not have the original keys (red or black)? I assume you mean the factory immobilizer that is in the instrument pod. It can be done apparently but is not straightforward and could be expensive. I'm sure there are some on here who run non standard clocks that must have done it without requiring a new virgin DP ECU. From what I have been told though a standard ECU re-flash will not be able to do this, its deeper into the ECU.

Mr Gazza · 06-09-2019, 04:15 PM

Re immobiliser; Is it possible to replace the noise source (Horn or hidden beeper?) with a resistor? so the immobiliser thinks it is sounding the alarm, but is in fact mute?
Maybe it could be replaced with a flashing light, which would be less disturbing?

Darren69 · 06-09-2019, 06:21 PM

I dont think so Gaz. The sensor in the ignition barrel reads the chip in the key and if the code matches what has been programmed into the ecu it will de-activate the immobilzer otherwise the ecu will be dead. You need the red key to be able the re-program it to accept new keys or if you replace the ecu or clocks. DP ecu comes with that switched off if you get a new one but most people will probably program them to the keys for the bike.

slob · 06-09-2019, 07:09 PM

removing immobiliser is an ecu flashing operation, removing a 3rd party alarm is a rewiring job,

04-10-2019, 08:59 AM

Hi Gazza & Dacs,

Do you fancy a trip down the A47 this Sunday for a look at the rebuild?

Gazza - tea, biscuits & stottie cake at the ready.......

Nickj · 04-10-2019, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjgt

When it's all rebuilt Hamish use Esso premium fuel as that is ethanol free.

To be on the safe side seal the tank, any of the ethanol safe (it's just slow set epoxy with a colouring in it) kits will do fine as I suspect that ethanol free fuel is going to get even more scarce quite quickly.

Mr Gazza · 04-10-2019, 05:48 PM

Hamish. It's going to be peeing down all Sunday and I'm busy doing some woodwork for Dacs.

The Sunday after, we are meeting for breakfast at The Gin Trap, Ringstead.
That's near Hunstanton, so not too far from you.
http://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/s...398#post569398
Why don't you pop in if you can, and meet the lads?
We could follow on afterwards to look at your project if that's convenient for you?

dacs · 04-10-2019, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hamish

Hi Gazza & Dacs,

Do you fancy a trip down the A47 this Sunday for a look at the rebuild?

Gazza - tea, biscuits & stottie cake at the ready.......

Hamish, thanks for the invite, given the forecast I have to agree with Gazza (he does not turn down a free biscuit easily). I should be at the breakfast meeting in a week's time, hope to see you.

Grumpy · 04-10-2019, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hamish

Hi Gazza & Dacs,

Do you fancy a trip down the A47 this Sunday for a look at the rebuild?

Gazza - tea, biscuits & stottie cake at the ready.......

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Gazza

Hamish. It's going to be peeing down all Sunday and I'm busy doing some woodwork for Dacs.

The Sunday after, we are meeting for breakfast at The Gin Trap, Ringstead.
That's near Hunstanton, so not too far from you.
http://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/s...398#post569398
Why don't you pop in if you can, and meet the lads?
We could follow on afterwards to look at your project if that's convenient for you?

Quote:

Originally Posted by dacs

Hamish, thanks for the invite, given the forecast I have to agree with Gazza (he does not turn down a free biscuit easily). I should be at the breakfast meeting in a week's time, hope to see you.

I'm interested in coming along for biscuits...err I meant to have a look! Although I land at Stansted early hours of Sunday morning, returning from a break to Italy.
If I surface in time to head for the Gin Trap, will drop Gazza a text.

Flip · 05-10-2019, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjgt

When it's all rebuilt Hamish use Esso premium fuel as that is ethanol free.

Not anymore it would seem- least not in West Sussex. My local Esso station down the road doesn’t even have super-unleaded and this one a few miles away at Pulborough clearly states both regular and super as being E5.

06-09-2019, 10:15 AM	#17
Mr Gazza Lord of the Rings Join Date: May 2013 Location: Norwich Bike: M900sie Posts: 5,979	I'm very strict with my biscuits. I have exactly two chocolate Hobnobs every day as a special treat when I get home from work... I can eat only one Pringle too.. We'll have to sort a time to view this gestating Monster, I think Dacs and Grumpy would like a look too, so could be quite a party? Regarding the injectors; 30 minutes in the tank should do the trick. Regarding the fuel pump, not sure that ultra-sound cleaning would be ideal? But probably wouldn't do any harm provided it was thoroughly dried out afterwards, as the cleaning medium is mostly water. A quick dunk in some clutch and brake cleaner afterwards should get rid of the water come to think of it. The best thing might be to just immerse it in clean fresh petrol to soften any residues, then just circulate them round in normal use, relying on the new filter* to catch anything thus loosened? Or in other words, just use it. Any thoughts on that from the UKMOC think tank? *Fuel filter = Mahle KL145. This is also a common BMW fitment, often listed a bit cheaper for beemers? Try Opie Oils, but shop around. __________________

06-09-2019, 10:24 AM	#18
mickj Registered User Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Clevedon Bike: M1200s Posts: 565	When it's all rebuilt Hamish use Esso premium fuel as that is ethanol free. __________________ Keep the rubber side down. Mick

06-09-2019, 02:04 PM	#21
Darren69 Transmaniacon MOC Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Sutton In Ashfield Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 6,094	You mentioned earlier about removing the immobilizer? Do you not have the original keys (red or black)? I assume you mean the factory immobilizer that is in the instrument pod. It can be done apparently but is not straightforward and could be expensive. I'm sure there are some on here who run non standard clocks that must have done it without requiring a new virgin DP ECU. From what I have been told though a standard ECU re-flash will not be able to do this, its deeper into the ECU. __________________ Roast Beef Monster! Termignoni and Bucci - Italian for pipe and slippers! S4 Fogarty, S4R 07T, 748, Series 1 Mirage

06-09-2019, 04:15 PM	#22
Mr Gazza Lord of the Rings Join Date: May 2013 Location: Norwich Bike: M900sie Posts: 5,979	Re immobiliser; Is it possible to replace the noise source (Horn or hidden beeper?) with a resistor? so the immobiliser thinks it is sounding the alarm, but is in fact mute? Maybe it could be replaced with a flashing light, which would be less disturbing? __________________

06-09-2019, 06:21 PM	#23
Darren69 Transmaniacon MOC Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Sutton In Ashfield Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 6,094	I dont think so Gaz. The sensor in the ignition barrel reads the chip in the key and if the code matches what has been programmed into the ecu it will de-activate the immobilzer otherwise the ecu will be dead. You need the red key to be able the re-program it to accept new keys or if you replace the ecu or clocks. DP ecu comes with that switched off if you get a new one but most people will probably program them to the keys for the bike. __________________ Roast Beef Monster! Termignoni and Bucci - Italian for pipe and slippers! S4 Fogarty, S4R 07T, 748, Series 1 Mirage

06-09-2019, 09:38 AM	#16
Hamish Guest Posts: n/a	All - many thanks for all your top tips. Gazza - Thaats any biscuits you like old chap. Hobnobs, digsetives, custard creams. You name it. Utopia - Many thanks for your offer of your ultrasonic cleaner, when Gazza has finished with it. I'll liaise with Gazza and lure him with Bourbons and stottie cake. The fuel tank is plastic and has been empty for 5 years. If there's a fuel pump inside is likely to be gummed up with modern fuel additives, so could we ultrasonic clean that too, or just carb cleaner?

06-09-2019, 11:24 AM	#19
slob . Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 9,736	I would definitely soak the pump in fresh fuel (maybe with a dash of injector cleaner mixed in) ovenight. Then turn the ignition on and off repeatedly to see if it's still alive, you should hear a buzz as it primes each time the ignition is switched on if it's not gummed up solid. IIRC Fuel filter is a little different on plastic tank models, it's a grey plastic unit that attaches to the access plate/pump assembly in the bottom of the tank. Steel tank bikes have a pressed steel filter that's accessed by removing the filler neck. The guys at Moto Rapido will know which one, just tell them you've got a plastic tank model.

06-09-2019, 07:09 PM	#24
slob . Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 9,736	removing immobiliser is an ecu flashing operation, removing a 3rd party alarm is a rewiring job,

04-10-2019, 08:59 AM	#25
Hamish Guest Posts: n/a	Hi Gazza & Dacs, Do you fancy a trip down the A47 this Sunday for a look at the rebuild? Gazza - tea, biscuits & stottie cake at the ready.......

04-10-2019, 05:48 PM	#27
Mr Gazza Lord of the Rings Join Date: May 2013 Location: Norwich Bike: M900sie Posts: 5,979	Hamish. It's going to be peeing down all Sunday and I'm busy doing some woodwork for Dacs. The Sunday after, we are meeting for breakfast at The Gin Trap, Ringstead. That's near Hunstanton, so not too far from you. http://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/s...398#post569398 Why don't you pop in if you can, and meet the lads? We could follow on afterwards to look at your project if that's convenient for you? __________________