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30-09-2015, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by J.P

Well, you can now order a new 2016 Speed Triple that's been in the spy shots in final testing

Interesting. Do we know if the 2016 bike will have all the gadgetry on it?

J.P · 30-09-2015, 05:53 PM

Not sure about that at the moment. Go see your friendly Triumph Salesman and ask.

30-09-2015, 07:24 PM

Interesting thread. I've got an 1100evo which is like a different bike after a 14 tooth front sprocket and Rexxer remap. Much more rideable around town - no lurching or surging that I got when testing a 1200 Monster whilst mine was in for a service. The Diavel I also tested ran much better than the 1200. You shouldn't have to do these mods to get a bike to run right though...

The noise and emissions regulations have a lot to answer for, however generally V twins are never as smooth as a 4 pot bike around town although my 14yr old Harley with a big Mikuni HSR carb runs better than most fuel injected bikes.

I think the new R1200R BMW might work for you from the reviews I've read - but you definitely need to test before buying!!

30-09-2015, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by J.P

Not sure about that at the moment. Go see your friendly Triumph Salesman and ask.

I actually did ask about this at my local Triumph dealer recently and was told there was nothing in the foreseeable future regarding electrickery, Triumph seem a bit strange like this, I often hear stories of fantastic new bikes which never appear then different stuff appears which was not on anyone's radar.

emzedder · 30-09-2015, 08:05 PM

Interesting conversation particularly the Triumph comment, here is an article that many are not aware of ... the point about ABS is relevant and this will change face of model ranges ...
Euro 4 emissions limits

This is one of the changes that could sound the death knell for older bikes come the end of 2016, as Euro 4 rules are nearly twice as strict as the Euro 3 regulations that have been in place since 2006. The rules vary depending on performance, but for most full-size bikes carbon monoxide emissions, currently limited to 2.0g/km (grams per kilometre), drop to a maximum of 1.14g/km, while hydrocarbon limits drop from 0.3g/km to 0.17g/km and NOx falls from 0.15g/km to 0.09g/km. What’s more, the Euro 4 also introduces a durability test, so manufacturers need to prove that their engines can still meet the limits after 20,000km of use.

Yamaha's massive collector box negates the requirement for an oversized silencer

There’s also an ‘evaporative’ element of the emission test, which measures vapours that come from the evaporation of fuel over a period of time when the engine isn’t running. To pass, some bikes might need changes to their fuel caps, pipes or even completely new fuel tanks.

ABS

This is one most people have heard of; from 1/1/2016 all new-model bikes over 125cc will need ABS, while smaller bikes must have either ABS or a combined brake system. As with the rest of the rules, there’s a year of grace for carry-over models, but come the start of 2017 everything must be in-line with the regulations to be allowed to be sold.

OBD 1 (On Board Diagnostics)

The OBD 1 system is a standardised on-board diagnostic protocol that monitors any electronic element of the emissions control systems. This basically means that anyone with the right equipment – and it must be freely available, not just to authorised dealers – can plug computers into the system to check that things like the bike’s fuel injection is working properly. OBD 1 is still fairly rudimentary, though - from 2020, when Euro 5 emissions laws come into force, bikes will get the same sort of OBD II kit that’s already fitted to cars, which is far more advanced.

What does all that mean?

While there were plenty of scare stories back in 2012 about how ABS would ramp up the cost of bikes or that OBD would force people back to main dealers for every service, the reality is that the changes won’t have a massive impact on riders.

They will impact manufacturers though, since there are plenty of bikes that need significant changes to meet the new rules. That means investment in modifications to their designs, or withdrawing them from sale altogether and replacing them with something else.

A good example is Triumph’s Bonneville. Not designed with Euro 4 or ABS in mind, adopting both would mean a major reworking of the existing model, which in turn represents a huge investment. And with Euro 5 emissions rules due to come into force in 2020, there may not be time to recoup the cost of any short-term fixes.

30-09-2015, 05:53 PM	#17
J.P No more Monster... Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: London Bike: Other Not a Ducati Posts: 4,326	Not sure about that at the moment. Go see your friendly Triumph Salesman and ask. __________________ J.JP ------------------------------- My Mum says, there's no such thing as Monsters.

30-09-2015, 07:24 PM	#18
EvoAde Guest Posts: n/a	Interesting thread. I've got an 1100evo which is like a different bike after a 14 tooth front sprocket and Rexxer remap. Much more rideable around town - no lurching or surging that I got when testing a 1200 Monster whilst mine was in for a service. The Diavel I also tested ran much better than the 1200. You shouldn't have to do these mods to get a bike to run right though... The noise and emissions regulations have a lot to answer for, however generally V twins are never as smooth as a 4 pot bike around town although my 14yr old Harley with a big Mikuni HSR carb runs better than most fuel injected bikes. I think the new R1200R BMW might work for you from the reviews I've read - but you definitely need to test before buying!!

30-09-2015, 08:05 PM	#20
emzedder Registered User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Norwich Bike: Other Ducati Posts: 109	Interesting conversation particularly the Triumph comment, here is an article that many are not aware of ... the point about ABS is relevant and this will change face of model ranges ... Euro 4 emissions limits This is one of the changes that could sound the death knell for older bikes come the end of 2016, as Euro 4 rules are nearly twice as strict as the Euro 3 regulations that have been in place since 2006. The rules vary depending on performance, but for most full-size bikes carbon monoxide emissions, currently limited to 2.0g/km (grams per kilometre), drop to a maximum of 1.14g/km, while hydrocarbon limits drop from 0.3g/km to 0.17g/km and NOx falls from 0.15g/km to 0.09g/km. What’s more, the Euro 4 also introduces a durability test, so manufacturers need to prove that their engines can still meet the limits after 20,000km of use. Yamaha's massive collector box negates the requirement for an oversized silencer There’s also an ‘evaporative’ element of the emission test, which measures vapours that come from the evaporation of fuel over a period of time when the engine isn’t running. To pass, some bikes might need changes to their fuel caps, pipes or even completely new fuel tanks. ABS This is one most people have heard of; from 1/1/2016 all new-model bikes over 125cc will need ABS, while smaller bikes must have either ABS or a combined brake system. As with the rest of the rules, there’s a year of grace for carry-over models, but come the start of 2017 everything must be in-line with the regulations to be allowed to be sold. OBD 1 (On Board Diagnostics) The OBD 1 system is a standardised on-board diagnostic protocol that monitors any electronic element of the emissions control systems. This basically means that anyone with the right equipment – and it must be freely available, not just to authorised dealers – can plug computers into the system to check that things like the bike’s fuel injection is working properly. OBD 1 is still fairly rudimentary, though - from 2020, when Euro 5 emissions laws come into force, bikes will get the same sort of OBD II kit that’s already fitted to cars, which is far more advanced. What does all that mean? While there were plenty of scare stories back in 2012 about how ABS would ramp up the cost of bikes or that OBD would force people back to main dealers for every service, the reality is that the changes won’t have a massive impact on riders. They will impact manufacturers though, since there are plenty of bikes that need significant changes to meet the new rules. That means investment in modifications to their designs, or withdrawing them from sale altogether and replacing them with something else. A good example is Triumph’s Bonneville. Not designed with Euro 4 or ABS in mind, adopting both would mean a major reworking of the existing model, which in turn represents a huge investment. And with Euro 5 emissions rules due to come into force in 2020, there may not be time to recoup the cost of any short-term fixes.