Bad news and Good News

Luddite · 15-10-2020, 04:41 PM

The bad news, for Ducati traditionalists at least, is that, on top of the rumoured switch from a trellis frame on the new Monster (project 1803), the new V4 Multistrada "Granturismo" engine does away with desmodromic valves

in favour of a conventional valve train.

The good news is that maintenance intervals will be over 40k miles, which is pretty impressive.

I wonder if the new Monster will go down the traditional valve train route?

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocia...services-desmo

slob · 15-10-2020, 05:08 PM

Uncle Bob · 15-10-2020, 07:55 PM

The new Monster range doesn’t seem to offer much reason to ‘upgrade’ from, say, an 1100 Evo...

Nickj · 15-10-2020, 08:35 PM

I have to admit that given the option of a V-twin or V-four in a spar frame I'll go and buy a generic jap model.
Brand loyalty isn't just about the 'name', it isn't about practicality, it's the feeling, it's heart and I think it's starting to AWOL

Luddite · 15-10-2020, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Bob

The new Monster range doesn’t seem to offer much reason to ‘upgrade’ from, say, an 1100 Evo...

"Upgrade", Bob? "Upgrade"...?

Uncle Bob · 16-10-2020, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luddite

"Upgrade", Bob? "Upgrade"...?

Sorry! Update?

I don’t think I’m a brand snob, but I do agree about the ‘soul’ thing. Whatever it is about this bike (and indeed the 696 I had) there is a feeling I’ve had with them that I didn’t have with my Japanese bikes. I kind of think of them as perfectly imperfect. So if that was removed from the ownership experience then maybe the Monster’s USP is removed too, which would be a shame.

I’m sure the new bikes will be good though, and I’m fully aware that I’ve only owned two Monsters that are very similar to each other, whereas many of you have owned and experienced Monsters of all ages.

utopia · 16-10-2020, 02:08 AM

I suppose if your two big cylinders have changed to four small ones and your few heavy valves have become a multitude of lightweights then you have little need of desmodromics.
Question is .. Do you still have the same soul ?

And whither now the Desmo Owners' Club ?

jerry · 16-10-2020, 07:22 AM

my new bike is not going to be a Ducati its going to be a Benelli 752s as i am so impressed by using its baby brother 302 in Thailand which had superb handling , power , torque and sound and quality the 752 will be epic ,, the 302 could hit 100mph easy so a 752 will be good for over 130mph with twice the power and torque ,, yes they are a bit on heavy side but so what ,,,at leas than £6500 a bargain .

crust · 16-10-2020, 01:25 PM

Its the same ethos that Audi has done with Lamborghini.

Ducati is slowly morphing into red BMWs, very efficient but dull as ditchwater.

350TSS · 16-10-2020, 04:23 PM

Reading elsewhere Audi is thinking strongly of offloading - to pay for the VW/Audi emissions debacle.

Tim88 · 16-10-2020, 05:04 PM

'Bad' news only as far as I'm concerned, can't see the 'good'. Desmo is the heart of it for me. 40k service interval...well for quite a few owners that might mean every 15 + years, did I do that sum right? So some pretty old oil and filter in there, maybe the rest of the bike will have fallen to bits or become 'unsupported' from a spares point of view. I love most things Ducati but these moves will cure me of that, and a lover scorned will not go back I'm afraid.

jerry · 16-10-2020, 07:10 PM

VW group taint everything they touch , emmisions scandals recalls , in the car insustry they have the biggest warranty claims bill and customer complaints from all their main brands ,, they sell 13m vehicles s a year and pay out $4.7bn in warranty costs when Toyota group sell 13m vehicles a year and its warranty costs are $986m

Since VW took over Ducati prices of spares have more than doubled ,, sure they kept the brand alive and invested but so many niche models and complexity already one can see huge numbers of newer model used Ducatis on the market ,im skeptical about the future of the brand ,,but I dont really like any of the new models anyway they dont float my little boat .

Kato · 21-10-2020, 03:17 PM

The Germans do 2 things very well... That's Weiss Beer and Sausages they should stick to that and leave engineering to those the have a clue

damien666 · 21-10-2020, 03:44 PM

Vw part number 199398500A

slob · 21-10-2020, 03:51 PM

https://youtu.be/bBSXsWWT9F0

15-10-2020, 04:41 PM	#1
Luddite Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Southampton Bike: M1100evo Posts: 2,465	Bad news and Good News The bad news, for Ducati traditionalists at least, is that, on top of the rumoured switch from a trellis frame on the new Monster (project 1803), the new V4 Multistrada "Granturismo" engine does away with desmodromic valves in favour of a conventional valve train. The good news is that maintenance intervals will be over 40k miles, which is pretty impressive. I wonder if the new Monster will go down the traditional valve train route? https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocia...services-desmo

15-10-2020, 05:08 PM	#2
slob . Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 9,733	Last edited by slob; 15-10-2020 at 05:11 PM..

15-10-2020, 08:35 PM	#4
Nickj Too much time on my hands member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Forest Of Dean Bike: S2r Posts: 3,206	I have to admit that given the option of a V-twin or V-four in a spar frame I'll go and buy a generic jap model. Brand loyalty isn't just about the 'name', it isn't about practicality, it's the feeling, it's heart and I think it's starting to AWOL __________________ "The final measure of any rider's skill is the inverse ratio of his preferred Traveling Speed to the number of bad scars on his body." Song of the sausage creature

16-10-2020, 07:22 AM	#8
jerry Old Git Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cricklade Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 2,898	my new bike is not going to be a Ducati its going to be a Benelli 752s as i am so impressed by using its baby brother 302 in Thailand which had superb handling , power , torque and sound and quality the 752 will be epic ,, the 302 could hit 100mph easy so a 752 will be good for over 130mph with twice the power and torque ,, yes they are a bit on heavy side but so what ,,,at leas than £6500 a bargain . __________________ MONSTERMAN

16-10-2020, 07:10 PM	#12
jerry Old Git Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cricklade Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 2,898	VW group taint everything they touch , emmisions scandals recalls , in the car insustry they have the biggest warranty claims bill and customer complaints from all their main brands ,, they sell 13m vehicles s a year and pay out $4.7bn in warranty costs when Toyota group sell 13m vehicles a year and its warranty costs are $986m Since VW took over Ducati prices of spares have more than doubled ,, sure they kept the brand alive and invested but so many niche models and complexity already one can see huge numbers of newer model used Ducatis on the market ,im skeptical about the future of the brand ,,but I dont really like any of the new models anyway they dont float my little boat . __________________ MONSTERMAN

15-10-2020, 07:55 PM	#3
Uncle Bob Registered User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Milton Keynes Bike: M1100evo Posts: 233	The new Monster range doesn’t seem to offer much reason to ‘upgrade’ from, say, an 1100 Evo...

16-10-2020, 02:08 AM	#7
utopia No turn left unstoned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: leicester Bike: M750 Posts: 4,559	I suppose if your two big cylinders have changed to four small ones and your few heavy valves have become a multitude of lightweights then you have little need of desmodromics. Question is .. Do you still have the same soul ? And whither now the Desmo Owners' Club ?

16-10-2020, 01:25 PM	#9
crust rattles when he walks Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: in the comfy chair,moved furniture around Bike: M900 Posts: 1,065	Its the same ethos that Audi has done with Lamborghini. Ducati is slowly morphing into red BMWs, very efficient but dull as ditchwater.

16-10-2020, 04:23 PM	#10
350TSS Too much time on my hands member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Shipbourne Bike: M900 Posts: 1,422	Reading elsewhere Audi is thinking strongly of offloading - to pay for the VW/Audi emissions debacle.

16-10-2020, 05:04 PM	#11
Tim88 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: London Bike: M1100evo Posts: 98	'Bad' news only as far as I'm concerned, can't see the 'good'. Desmo is the heart of it for me. 40k service interval...well for quite a few owners that might mean every 15 + years, did I do that sum right? So some pretty old oil and filter in there, maybe the rest of the bike will have fallen to bits or become 'unsupported' from a spares point of view. I love most things Ducati but these moves will cure me of that, and a lover scorned will not go back I'm afraid.

21-10-2020, 03:17 PM	#13
Kato Dismantled Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: East Molesey Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 2,242	The Germans do 2 things very well... That's Weiss Beer and Sausages they should stick to that and leave engineering to those the have a clue __________________ "Political correctness is just intellectual colonialism and psychological fascism for the creation of thought crime"

21-10-2020, 03:44 PM	#14
damien666 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Leeds, West-Yorks Bike: S4Rs Posts: 497	Vw part number 199398500A

21-10-2020, 03:51 PM	#15
slob . Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: East London Bike: Multiple Monsters Posts: 9,733	https://youtu.be/bBSXsWWT9F0