New Monster

[slob]

I've just done a pre-launch Monster video conference with the factory.
Once again the presentation was led by Ducati Product Manager: Stefano Tarabusi.

He acknowledged that it's always a difficult decision to modify a key product that's been around for very nearly three decades, we've just passed the 28th anniversary of the original M900 unveiling at IFMA Köln 1992 and the Monster is fast approaching number 325,000 on the production line. So the Monsteristi community is still growing and indeed, like any community, must grow. They are not trying to build some sort of retro special here, they are moving to Monster concept forward.

They went back to the question: What is a Monster?
The answer is Essential (stripped back), Light, Compact & Sporty. Hence a Superbike derived chassis with a road-focused engine. At the start of the '90s that meant an 851/888 derived chassis with a 900SS motor, today it means Pani'V4 derived chassis with Testastretta motor.

Ducati always choose the best solution for the concept and they felt that the 821/1200 was starting to get too large and heavy for what defines a Monster.

The 821 front frame weighs in at 7.9kg, still lighter than an un-named 'main competitor' at 8.9kg. They played with a 'small tube' trellis which improved weight down to 5.5kg but they assured us this was not aesthetically pleasing. The end result is a gravity cast aluminium frame weighing in at 3.0kg!
Similarly the 821 rear subframe weighs in at 5.1kg, losing out slightly to 'main competitor' at 4.4kg. The optimised cast subframe (think 696/796/1100) comes in at 3.5-4.2kg. a 'small tube' version was still 4.3kg. So the Mk4 Monster will use a GFRP (Glass Fibre Reinforced Polymer) subframe which weighs 3.2kg.
The overall weight of the bike will be reduced by 20kg!
Besides weight loss and compactness, the other advantage of the new frame is the decoupling of directional stiffness, which their test riders report makes for a significantly better ride. Ask a V4 Panigale owner if they still long for a trellis frame...
The new model will also have a little more ground clearance, which will please more 'spirited' riders.

We asked about the spy shots, comparisons to various Yamahas and Galluzzi's original design and Stefano said 'Remember all the photoshop mock-ups so far are not from Ducati and are based on low quality spy-shots of disguised bikes. Remember the original Panigale spy-shots from a decade ago?' He thinks the production bike came out OK.
What we get next week will in some way pay homage to the Galluzzi orignal, and that we won't be disappointed.

We can expect some display bikes to start doing the rounds early next year, with test rides available from dealers around April/May.

In the meantime stay tuned for next Wednesday evening, December 2nd. – 7pm CET (that's 6:00pm GMT)

[Mr Gazza]

Please sir! Would you mind explaining what " decoupling of directional stiffness" means and why it's a good thing?

Sounds to me like it means it's less stiff?.. Otherwise all good, bring it on..

[slob]

Edge grip provided by lateral chassis flex, when the bike is cranked over and the suspension is barely working. Whilst still allowing enough front to back stiffness to allow positive steering, heavy braking and acceleration.

[Mr Gazza]

Thanks I think that makes it clearer.

"Chassis flex" and "suspension barely working", sound like phrases borrowed from Norton?
My Commando has Vernier adjustment for chassis directional stiffness!!..

[Luddite]

Thanks for that, Rob, very interesting. That's quite a weight saving for the main and sub-frames. I think KTM (a "main competitor"?) first used the GFRP sub-frame and I wondered how long it would be before other manufacturers followed suit (must be a huge saving in cost and manufacturing time).

Looking forward to the unveiling... ("non vedo l'ora!").

[Wasta]

Thanks,looking forward to Wednesday now.

[Dirty]

Looking forward to seeing it

[Doggy]

Lighter weight and sportier sounds good. Just wonder how many thousands it's going to be out of my price range.
Mind you, people don't buy new bikes anymore do they?. They rent them each month and then give them back!

[slob]

I also asked about Desmo vs Granturismo (springs)
Stefano said we can expect the Monster to be a Desmo for the foreseeable future and that he thought a V4 Monster unlikely since the current Streetfighter fills that space in the current range.

I completely forgot maybe the most obvious question: what engine options we might see, I guess we’ll find out next week.

[Darkness]

Thanks Rob. That was a more coherent statement than I’d expected! I’m looking forward to seeing the “Pudding” now.

[slob]

remember, the ‘93 900 didn’t look exactly like Galluzzi’s design sketch by the time we got our hands on it

[Darkness]

Originally Posted by slob

remember, the ‘93 900 didn’t look exactly like Galluzzi’s design sketch by the time we got our hands on it

I don’t know, they’ve both got a saddle, tank, engine, two wheels and handlebars, and not too much else that isn’t needed to allow registration!

[Blah blah]

Originally Posted by slob

remember, the ‘93 900 didn’t look exactly like Galluzzi’s design sketch by the time we got our hands on it

Oh look, no tea tray...

[Darkness]

Originally Posted by Blah blah

Oh look, no tea tray...

Goosenecked Frame, Non USD Forks, 19” Spoked Front Wheel, 16” Disk Rear Wheel, Superbike Engine, Radiator, No rear lights (Unless thats the smudge next to the rear axle?), Hardly Sportster style headlight and instruments, Tank mounted Air Scoop(s?), etc.....

I’m glad it spent time in development after the original concept. The Köln show bike was far more like the production bikes.

[Albie]

Need to be open minded. Evolution is always good it's what we learn from our past to improve our future. Not always successful but that's part of the learning.